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Marcel Companjen

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One of my biggest questions is what Larry means on several albums, when he says thanks to a lot of people "and to Fehrion wherever you are". I've tried to figure it out for a very long time and I even asked Larry about it, but he only answered that I would find out sometime. Well, I still haven't ... Does anybody have the answer (or at least a clue)?

Another question comes from the booklet that some of us have that came along with "Something new under the Son". It contains some kind of puzzle ("Numbers don't count" - "Quasioxymoron" - the two circles of albums, counting up to 14). Anyone have a bright idea about this as well?

Greetings,
Marcel.

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Chuck

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I asked that same question to Larry in 1982 at one of his concerts in Santa Clara CA.

He replied what makes you think it's a person? and left it at that....

I too would like to have the answer, as I have always wondered about it.

-Chuck

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Gerard

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Now I'm curious to. I always thought it was 'something'. But now I really like to know what it is. Google didn't give an answer. So if anybody know please share.

Gerard.

esperopt@yahoo.com

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Mike Brown

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You can add me to the list of people who are interested in knowing. The Something New Under the Son number thing is of interest, too.

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Anonymous

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The two circles of albums are just that - the initials of released and unreleased Lps that (at some point in time or another) Larry wanted to release.  Seven is supposedly a holy, and mystical number, so presumably at some point instead the trilogy and second trilogy he was doing two sets of seven albums.

the second seven LP titles [the bottom list of the two) are listed in the free booklet that came with the LP:
something new under the son
island in the sky
city of the lost angels
the war between the sun & moon
the invasion of the earth
the destruction of babylon
the edge of space


the first seven, top row:
we need a whole lot more of jesus and a lot less rock and roll
upon this rock
street level
bootleg
only visiting this planet
so long ago the garden
in another land

beyond that we'll probably never know. some of the 'invisible' albums seem to have been recorded then shelved, or raided/recycled for other albums; some don't seem to exist at all; some were demoed; some were recorded but not final mixed.

Rupert

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cRaShDoG

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i think larry liked the idea of being a bit mysterious. i wouldn't doubt that some of these things were made up for no other reason than to make people wonder and try to figure it out.

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Anonymous

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cRaShDoG wrote:

i think larry liked the idea of being a bit mysterious. i wouldn't doubt that some of these things were made up for no other reason than to make people wonder and try to figure it out.


Think that is true. But thanking Fehrion on albums makes one wonder.

 



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JP

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I asked him what Fehrion was at Cornerstone years ago. He said "I'm not sure... I had a dog named Fehrion..." So I guess it was a dog according to Larry. But his puzzlement at the question I found a little bizarre considering he credits it on like every album.

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Anonymous

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Maybe his brother does know? I will sent him a mail.

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David

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Larry's dad, Joe, answered my query about Fehrion with this "Fehrion is imaginary." That's all he said. Somewhere I've seen an interview in which Larry said Fehrion was a place, not a person. So . . . a place of the imagination. Is it connected with a dream? Or perhaps with his near-death experience when he "felt the angels sing." ?
There were lots of mysteries like that. Statements such as the nightmare songs are in particular places for definite reasons, and "it will all become clear when future albums (and the intended versions of old albums) are released." In a great interview with Don Gillespie, for instance, he mentions that the medley from In Another Land contains part of the theme song for each album of the trilogy. He declares that "If God is My Father" is the theme song for "Garden," yet it's not even included.  Fascinating, but, in the end, just curiosities, now.



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paul

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Well, is Fehrion a real person or is that symbolic of something or someone?

LN: You want to know where it is?

VOG: Well, I know, yeah. What is the answer to this mystery?

LN: It's a mystery. [laughter] I know what it means.

VOG: Does it represent a human being? Is it a symbol?

LN: It could be a place. Wherever you are. Like the new Jerusalem, where you are.

VOG: Yeah, but you said, "to Fehrion, where ever you are."

LN: Yeah. "To the new Jerusalem, where ever you are." Well, that's the way you interpret it, see? That's what symbols are for. For interpretation.

mason quizzed larry on a bunch of this stuff in a Visions of Gray interview:
VOG interview

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Gerard.

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This is the second time I'm told Fehrion was Larry's dog. This is the answer someone gave me when asking about Fehrion:

I asked Larry at breakfast one day, 'Who was Fehrion?' I thought it would be some great convoluted explanation with heavy spiritual overtones, but he told me, 'Ferhion was my dog, he got lost one day and later we found him dead up in the hills.' Larry loved dogs as we all know. When we are little we are told our pets have gone to heaven but as we get older we are told only people have souls. All creation is groaning to be saved so maybe there was a childlike hope or plea for, 'Fehrion, where-ever you are?' That's all I heard from Larry about Fehrion.


Again, someone alse also told me it was the name of Larry's dog, but I can't find the mail at the moment (thanks for all nice and comforting answers).

Puzzles me that Larry's dad gives another answer. If the above is true he must have known Larry's dog was called Fehrion?

Gerard

esperopt@yahoo.com

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Anonymous

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Gerard. wrote:

This is the second time I'm told Fehrion was Larry's dog. This is the answer someone gave me when asking about Fehrion:
You must be young. I envy you !
Our memories fade as we get older.
My dad does not remember the name of the first dog we had ... Lately, I have had a tendency to forget many things, too smile.gif


I asked Larry at breakfast one day, 'Who was Fehrion?' I thought it would be some great convoluted explanation with heavy spiritual overtones, but he told me, 'Ferhion was my dog, he got lost one day and later we found him dead up in the hills.' Larry loved dogs as we all know. When we are little we are told our pets have gone to heaven but as we get older we are told only people have souls. All creation is groaning to be saved so maybe there was a childlike hope or plea for, 'Fehrion, where-ever you are?' That's all I heard from Larry about Fehrion.


Again, someone alse also told me it was the name of Larry's dog, but I can't find the mail at the moment (thanks for all nice and comforting answers).

Puzzles me that Larry's dad gives another answer. If the above is true he must have known Larry's dog was called Fehrion?

Gerard

esperopt@yahoo.com





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Anonymous

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Anonymous wrote:

Gerard. wrote:

This is the second time I'm told Fehrion was Larry's dog. This is the answer someone gave me when asking about Fehrion:
You must be young. I envy you !
Our memories fade as we get older.
My dad does not remember the name of the first dog we had ... Lately, I have had a tendency to forget many things, too smile.gif


I asked Larry at breakfast one day, 'Who was Fehrion?' I thought it would be some great convoluted explanation with heavy spiritual overtones, but he told me, 'Ferhion was my dog, he got lost one day and later we found him dead up in the hills.' Larry loved dogs as we all know. When we are little we are told our pets have gone to heaven but as we get older we are told only people have souls. All creation is groaning to be saved so maybe there was a childlike hope or plea for, 'Fehrion, where-ever you are?' That's all I heard from Larry about Fehrion.


Again, someone alse also told me it was the name of Larry's dog, but I can't find the mail at the moment (thanks for all nice and comforting answers).

Puzzles me that Larry's dad gives another answer. If the above is true he must have known Larry's dog was called Fehrion?

Gerard

esperopt@yahoo.com







Sorry about that mess I made in the previous post. Here it is again :
You must be young. I envy you !
Our memories fade as we get older.
My dad does not remember the name of the first dog we had ... Lately, I have had a tendency to forget many things, too


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cRaShDoG

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if you go to www.larrynorman.com and look at the 'collector's corner' cd collection you will see the cd 'how then shall we live' (it's about halfway down on page 4). anyway, the description mentions fehrion as being a "learning center". here's the description:

Larry has launced a new ministry for educational purposes. The first educational release was the Only Visiting This Planet Songbook with an instructional DVD. This CD is also released by the Fehrion Learning Center. It is part of a series of CDs and booklets Larry is releasing. This CD is hilarious as Larry explores the Christian "disconnects" that make the Western version of Christianity a system of thought that can not be exported to any country outside of America and Canada. Everything about this CD is dirrerent, from the avant-garde artwork to the photo of Larry in a suit and tie. The learning center is releaseng a book of cultural evaluation and spiritual thought in October of 2006

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Gerard

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Anymous who are you? Please mail me! And being 38 now, I don't feel so young anymore.

Crashdog, this is the information I got from a personal friend of Larry. At least, he says so. I will mail you the whole story if you want.

Like everyone I just like to know what Fehrion means. I feel so stupid that I never asked Larry after the concerts in Holland when I had the upportunity to. So please don't be mad at me posting this here.

Gerard.

esperopt@yahoo.com



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Curly

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If you look at the inside of the cover artwork for Something new under the Son, Fehrion is marked with an X. So maybe it is a place.

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C. Norman

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I can assure you that Fehrion is not a dog.

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Jim Conarroe

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After asking Larry myself (no direct answer) and reading what he's said in interviews and to other people, my guess is that Fehrion is the presence of God, at His very throne. Larry never admits that it is a person and seems to deny that it is. Since we do not exactly where God's throne is, this would make the most sense. How the name Fehrion is connected to this, I would like to know.

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Anonymous

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it the word pronounces 'fairy-on'?

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Anonymous

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C. Norman wrote:

I can assure you that Fehrion is not a dog.



OK, thanks! It's a bit confusing getting all this answers from people who claim to have spoken with Larry in person about this.

It's not a big deal, but on the other hand I still like to now what it means and why it was so important to Larry. Maybe it should be important to me also?

When I had the chance to ask him I completely forgot because the conversation went into another direction.

Gerard.

esperopt@yahoo.com

 

 



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Marcel Companjen

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Thank you all for all the 'directions of answers' so far ...
So: Fehrion is NOT a dog. Since it is kind of strange to thank "a place" - one of the options mentioned -, it must be a person or it must be another name for God or Jesus (like C.S. Lewis mentioned Jesus by the name "Aslan").
I'll wait for some more reactions!! There must be more.

To Gerard: my quess is that Larry wouldn't have answered the question the way you wanted it (I tried ...).

To Crashdog: do you know whether the book you mentioned did really get published in October 2006?

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cRaShDoG

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Marcel Companjen wrote:

To Crashdog: do you know whether the book you mentioned did really get published in October 2006?




I have no idea...but i'd assume it didn't. Those words in my previous post were not mine, it was a direct quote from the website.

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Gerard

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C. Norman wrote:

I can assure you that Fehrion is not a dog.


Charles answered my mail writing:

It really was me. 

Fehrion is not a dog. 

Phydeaux was a dog. 

Other than that, I'm not saying anything more about Fehrion. 

For now smile.gif

Charles

First of all I like to thank Charles that he found the time to answer my question.

So this explains the mix-up with a dog. From the yahoo group I got a lot of answers. From dogs and cats to a cd called "Starstorm" or "Sessions" wich should contain a map, read this:

On a CD Larry released a few years ago, hidden behind the tray that the CD sits in, on the other side of the back tray cover is a map theshows WHERE Fehrion is. The CD tray is not clear, so the only way you might notice it was even there was if you happened to look through the hole in the centre of the tray.

I don't have those cd's, yet. So if somebody has maybe it can help to solve this puzzle.

@Marcel: I got 12 more answers so far. I will mail them to you if you drop me a mail with your e-mail adress. If I look at your name I suppose you are Dutch? So am I. If I understand Charles's mail correctly it seems that he want us to solve this puzzle ourselffs.

Gerard.

esperopt@yahoo.com





 



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Marcel Companjen

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I'm definitely Dutch. I'll send an email right away. Together we'll work this out! Thanks to Charles too for the kind help.

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Steve, UK

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Hi

I have practically everything by Larry up until 2003... except sadly "Sessions". The map is not shown in the tray of the "Larry Norman" CD (aka Starstorm), so you can rule that one out.

Steve

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Gerard

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Hi Steve,

This is the mail I got about this subject:

Myron Berg <myronberg@. ..> wrote:
I think it was on the donation CD called "Sessions". That was the
one you got if you donated $100 or more to Larry's medical trust fund.
 
Myron

That's correct. I just checked mine and the map is indeed behind the
CD tray. (I went ahead and replaced the black tray with a clear one
from another case.) The only text that is legible on the "map" is the
word "Fehrion" with a large X underneath it. I like the Sea Serpent in
the lower right hand corner. smile.gif

Karl

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Steve, UK

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Aha, well there we are then! I have almost all of Larry's releases up to early 2004, except latter day PPK or SRA issues as I stopped subscribing after Father Touch sadly... and I must admit to not being able to afford to send the extra money at the time to get hold of Sessions.

I found a scan of the front and back on "Sessions" online, but NOT the underside of the tray, d'oh!

Hope you/we get closer to knowing the source of Fehrion... I somehow feel the answer lies beyond the physical existence!

Steve, UK

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Gerard

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Well I did 'pay'. But I didn't know about the cd and I did'nt gave my adress. So it is my own fault I didn't get this cd.

Knowing now this map was inside makes it exclusive and I'm a litle sorry now I didn't get it. But I can only blame myself for not giving my adress.

At that time Larry did a concert in Holland and in more country's in Europe. Later the people who organized this concert in Holland found out Larry had a hart attack after this tour. So they asked us to give money if we could. So I did and I hope many people with me. Looking back, his life at that time was, of course, more important to me than a cd.

Gerard.

esperopt@yahoo.com

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Gerard

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The "Sessions" cd is not in the online store. So I don't think I can get it anymore.

I really like to know what Fehrion means. Charles, if you are reading this, I don't wanne push you. But here and on other boards/forums you can read a lot of Larry's dedicated fan's are waiting for the answer.

Gerard.

esperopt@yahoo.com

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cRaShDoG

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Gerard wrote:

The "Sessions" cd is not in the online store. So I don't think I can get it anymore.



go to www.larrynorman.com and click on the online store. then click on the secure online store. it will then open up a new page with five options, choose "donations" which is the fourth one down it's there that you'll find the sessions cd.




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