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Post Info TOPIC: Although I no longer believe...
Brad Reddekopp

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Eric wrote:

Brad, I'm just curious what hurt you so deep that you would let go of your faith?


I wasn't "hurt so deep". It was the lack of testable evidence and rational support for the claims of Christianity that changed my mind.

 

Eric wrote:


The only other thing I wonder is, does your atheism work for you? Does it give you peace in days of terror?


I find that reason works for me far better than faith ever did.

 

Eric wrote:


I'm sorry, I won't go to your forum site, I don't want to be "slimed" by the atmosphere. I'm sorry if you find that offensive, but that's just the way I too, feel.


Oddly enough, according to the New Testament, Jesus went to the hookers, thieves, and drunks. I guess your standards are different.

If you honestly want to discuss this further, feel free to use the contact information available and another of my web sites: http:www.NoDeity.com -- that way, you won't have to soil yourself by visiting my other site.

This is the last response I'll give to you here.

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Sevenbelt

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I strongly believe that beiing a christian singer does contribute to the whole spectrum of social and cultural developments in our time. Even or equal to all those who contribute to our cultural development from a different angle or point of view.
So if you're believing that your an atheist nowadays that's oke with me. I'm not sayin you're wrong by doing so i'm just saying welcome to this life and thanks for you're tribute to Larry. That he has still influenced you till this day forward is only somthing that gladdens me.
He himself sang the Words:" And if these words do not appeal to you, i hope His spirits slips on through, He loves you."
I myself keep repeating these words in my own moments of doubt and philosofers moods.
Keep up and curb your dogma

Sevenbelt




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Anonymous

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Another interesting similarity between songs: Peacepollutionrevolution and Van Morrison's "Brown Eyed" girl.

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Stacey E.

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Sigrid Jane Jane Jane...

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Mike

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             respect brads perspective. Why ??he really doesn't belong on the site just by the "although I no longer believe" statement. Who cares drop him. You cant turn a goat into a sheep it never happens. Paul calls him the other lump of clay    "SAD BUT TRUE"

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Anonymous

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Mike,

You sure make a good case for going over to Brad's side on this.  Drop him?  Nice.  That's what Christ would do?  Don't tell me...you're a Republican as well...

My guess is that Larry would find your perspective horrifying.  "And they'll know we are Christians by our love".  Way to play that one out, Mike!

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Bob E.

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Hey Mike...

I take it you're a sheep.  Were you always a sheep?  Or were you once a goat?  According to your e-mail, Mike, from my vantage point...Brad's a goat, and you're a donkey.  But don't despair...there's still time for you to be a sheep.  Unless you think you'll always be a donkey, seeing as Brad will always be a goat.

I thought this forum was to honor Larry and his family. 

Bob

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Anonymous

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Mike,


You were wrong and I am praying you will allow God to inspect your heart - it looks pretty hard, at least from this comment.  Remember we are called to be like Jesus - He is The Good Shepherd and forsakes the flock for the one who strays. 

BUT:

Brad (with the "your a donkey") and Anonomous (slamming Republican party as anti Christian - their certainly not perfect, but their the only party with guts to stop the baby murder that is abortion, and stand against the abomination of homosexual marraige) who tried to admonish Mike - you are worse... being hypocritical and assuming a place of judgement yet showing the same religious spirit that Mike showed. 

This demonic "religious spirit" is why there's tens of thousands of denominations and the church is so ineffectiove and divided in this world. 

There is one way we all should be seeking - Brad & Mike need prayer and the word of God - not your judgemental and condemming words.

And this IS a forum for a great Elder of the Faith, a servant of Jesus who knew how to gently and boldly share the gospel - I agree we should get back to discussions of our gratitude to God for Larry and his life.

Ellie




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Anonymous

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Sorry that should be BOB not Brad....

Ellie

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Anonymous

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I have gone through trials where it felt like Jesus was the only one who did not leave me. I have had very dark times in the church and with fellow believers but Jesus never let me go. Larry's music helped me hold it together also. These experiences aren't tangible or rational perhaps, but they happened to me, and that's why I believe. His grace always interrupts.

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cRaShDoG

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Mike wrote:

             respect brads perspective. Why ??he really doesn't belong on the site just by the "although I no longer believe" statement. Who cares drop him. You cant turn a goat into a sheep it never happens. Paul calls him the other lump of clay    "SAD BUT TRUE"




i don't know what bible you're reading or what denomination you follow, but the God i know is saddened by believers who don't care about the lost. read the parable of the lost sheep in luke 15:1-7 and try to tell me otherwise. i'm not judging you mike, but it's comments like this that turn non-believers off.


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Mike

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Listen I'am not saddened by anyone who makes a comment like Although I no Longer believe. Its a you'll know them by the fruits they bear type thing. That was his choice and I respect that and go on. Jesus knew those pharisees in John 9 didn't have a chance but did he try to evangelise them NOOO!!besides this site is if I'm not wrong a site to pay tribute to someone who was a believer a fallen hero. Sorry I have not compassion for a goat. Spend time on positive things like the real truth of the gospel. Its not all mushey and lovey dovey. I still maintain the fact that if that seed is there it will grow if its not it never was

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mike

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it was a lost sheep there crash dog not a lost goat. My sheep hear my voice .They'll come back at the call dont worry. They dont choose to be lost they just wonder on ocassion

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Mike

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Mr Bob E.  you know I've given alot of thought to this christianity thing over my 53 years of life and from what I see in scripture I see an all knowing God who named and loved me from before the foundation of the world. Jesus knew of his pre-existance with the Father (John 17). We have the same thing a body
lying dormant if you will that Paul talks about awaiting for our spirit to enter upon the death of this old fleshly contaminated body we presently live in. When I hear a person make the comment "although I no longer believe" this tells me one of two things. Either he never did really or he's just a person who needs some time out of the loop if you will to discover what really is truth about himself and his position with God. I personally have always felt the relationship I  I have with God but I've always prayed it would be a truthful one. All the junk out there in the name of religion can boggle any mans mind unless he has put on the mind of Christ like Paul tells us to do. I die daily like Paul says. I fall every day but I get back up thanking God he is still there and the fact he'll never leave. I refuse to believe God loves everyone. This belief does not fit in the bible we read. It was profisied (wrong spelling I'm sure) that God chose to love Jacob and hate Esau 700 years befor either one was born. The same for cain God had not respect for Cain or his offering the bible says. No reason given at that time except what Paul says about him later saying "By faith Abel offered unto God a "MORE EXCELLENT" sacrifice than Cain. Just Gods choice sorry Cain had an excellent offering if abel's was more excellent correct??well the key thing was Faith Abel had it because GOD GAVE IT TO HIM. Cain had no faith and what does scripture say about faith. Its impossible to please God without it. So can I believe there is nothing you can do if God does not choose you. If he knew you before the world began he will know you in the last days. Thats how the scripture BUT LORD didnt we cast out demons in THY NAME etc. makes sense. I'm sorry until this world of professing Christians starts believing yes God has children on this earth and so does Satan then its a fairy tale religion you are following. I wish I could say I'm sorry for my tactics in my past comments but I cant. This is the generation who will see the end in my opinion. Scripture says my people perish for lack of Knowledge. The lovey duvey idea that God is still winking at sin is over. Ask God to reveal the truth about the gospel thats been distorted over these last 7 church ages and maybe you'll see the difference. When you boil the fat off of the Gospel you'll see that God had a Son who died for HIS OWN  one thief was his own and the other was not sorry but true. Abel was his own Cain was not sorry but true. Jacob was his own easau was not sorry again but ture. All preordained people.Again don't take the sovernity away from God. You cant anyway. It's recognising the truth that makes you who you are. For example when peter preached on the day of pentecost and those people in attendence came to peter and said "men and breathern what must we do"??Now this shows me that these people were christians or believers lets say by the question they proposed they called them brethern. Now peter says repent and be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ etc... now repent from what? these people were already believers. Now if they would have said naaaa thats alright Peter our church attendence is up were getting ready to pave the parking lot,plenty of money is rolling in and refused what Peter said they would have died right there . But no they what? recoginised the truth in that sermon  and did what he said and were baptised right away. Another example of my contempt for professing christians who purposley take this scripture and ignore it. How were you baptised??? was it in titles identifying you with the trinitarian heathens or with Christ  sorry I got off on a tangent anyway I will bow out of this site and leave it for the Larry Norman people. I met him in 1981 he was a trooper in my opinion. All those early christian artist I kinda got into. My last thought for the fellow that started the although I no longer believe thing is this. You listen to michael cards video on you tube "COME TO THE TABLE"and if it doesn't move you you are lost in space bro

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Mike

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Yeah you could tell he was the Son of God the compasionate one when he tore into that temple whipping the crap out of people like you. Yeah those Pharisees felt that love also. Listen bozo you'll know they are Christians "real Christians when the identify with the TRUTH NOT A LIE....

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Mike

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Ellie  Listen The mainstream Christian idea that God is all lovey dovey is just what satan would want you to believe. I live my life daily as Paul calls it ,dieing every day messing up every day but getting back up every time with God's grace. Yes my heart is hard its hard against professing Christians that refuse to believe God's word and be a dooer of it. We are living in the last days Ellie and it's the word that will seperate the wheat from the tares. If this guy professes to be a non believer then focus your energy elswhere. You are what you are. God is not mocked and like Jesus said "all my Father hast given me will come to me I have lost none..Christ did not die in Vain my  dear. I wish I could have compassion on the religious but Christ didn't and why should I.They were the ones who crucified him. Now professing Christians are out there crucifing him afresh and putting him to an open shame again and how how are they doing that???Crucifing the WORD.Read it if you care to and get that lie from the pit out of your head that Gods children can be lost

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